Life after Death ... or Just Love after Death?

I arrived in New York City over the weekend and discovered that the Rev. Forrest Church had died on Thursday, September 24, after a battle against esophageal cancer.

Pastor of the Unitarian Church of All Souls on the Upper East Side for many years, Forrest Church was almost certainly the best-known and most influential Unitarian figure of the late twentieth century.

Forrest Church was in the public eye for most of his life. His father was the late Senator Frank Church [D-Idaho], who chaired committees that investigated the Central Intelligence Agency during the 1970s. Sen. Church also ran for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1976. After serving four terms in the Senate, Church was defeated for re-election in 1980.

Then, in 1984, he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. He died just three months later.

Forrest Church was 61 when he died last Thursday. He lived only two years longer than his father. But Forrest Church did something that few people are able to do - he wrote extensively about his own (impending) death. When told that his cancer was terminal, Forrest Church preached a sermon that was intended to help his congregation understand the process of death and dying. In the month that followed, he wrote a book about death and the experience of approaching his own death.

In Love & Death: My Journey Through the Valley of the Shadow, Church wrote of his understanding of death and its meaning. At the end of it all, the Unitarian pastor and philosopher wrote of "my abiding belief in love after death."

Significantly, Church wrote of his fascination with death. As a younger person, he had romanticized death and contemplated various scenarios of a famous demise. Later, though no longer believing himself to romanticize death, Church still seemed to see death in similar terms. Writing as a pastor, he told of a terminally ill church member who had committed suicide with the assistance of the Hemlock Society. Church wrote of his sympathy for her wish to remain in control of her life, even through her death. "I could only admire her," he wrote.

Forrest Church was a man of intelligence and culture - assets no doubt valued by his socially elite congregation at All Souls. He was also a gifted writer. In helpful sections of the book, Church took on the "conspiracy of silence concerning death" and helpfully reminded his readers that all of us will surely die. Church saw our modern obsession with health as a barely-disguised effort to postpone death, but to no avail. Vegetarians and joggers die, the pastor reminds.

Church compared life to the voyage of the Titanic. In the end, every life hits an iceberg and sinks. His exhortation was for all people to "dare to live before you die."

He also tied his understanding of religion to the knowledge that we shall surely die. "I draw from a strong faith tradition which, if not orthodox, invites me to explore everything from the scriptures to ancient philosophy to current events," Church wrote. "But the object is always the same. For me, religion is our human response to the dual reality of being alive and having to die."

Therefore, "if religion is our human response to being alive and having to die, the purpose of life is to live in such as way that our lives will prove worth dying for."

Missing from the picture is any notion of life on the other side of death. The minister declared his belief in "love after death," but not in life after death. The reason for this becomes more clear as Church writes of Jesus Christ. "I have no idea whether Jesus was physically resurrected or not, but I suspect he wasn't," he wrote. "If I am right, for many people that would be it for Jesus, period, end of story. Christianity would be a delusion, a miscommunication of events faithfully transmitted from generation to generation."

Indeed, Church insisted that his faith was not grounded in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, but rather in the "spiritual rebirth of Jesus's followers."

The disciples experienced a "saving transformation" in which the love of Jesus was reborn in them, Church suggested.

It was the love of Jesus that survived his death, Church insisted - not the life of Jesus. And that is a power available to all of us today, he promised. Forrest Church often repeated his "mantra" with words his church came to know: "Want what you have, do what you can, and be who you are."

Forrest Church was a classical religious and theological liberal. He rejected a supernatural Christ and did not believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection. He also denied that Christianity could be reduced to some mere admiration for the teachings of Jesus. While Jesus' teachings were "in many ways wonderful," those same teachings were "also flawed, limited by cultural and personal experience."

The Unitarian minister came to his theological liberalism quite early. At the age of ten, Forrest was given a Bible by his father. That Bible was the so-called "Jefferson Bible," produced by Thomas Jefferson as an experiment in removing all references to the supernatural Jesus from the New Testament. Known formally as The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, the Jefferson Bible ends with these words: "There they laid Jesus, and rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulcher, and departed." End of story. No resurrection. Jesus is simply sealed into the tomb.

If that is all there is to the life of Jesus, Christianity does indeed fall apart. Christianity would be a delusion and a misrepresentation of the truth. The New Testament clearly claims that Jesus Christ was physically raised from the dead - and that his resurrection is the promise of our own. The New Testament clearly promises life after death, not merely love after death. This is where Christianity stands or falls.

The death of Forrest Church at age 61 is a sobering reminder of our mortality. More tellingly, it is a lamentable but important reminder of the centrality of the resurrection of Christ to our Christian understanding of death and eternal life. Without the resurrection of Christ, there is no hope for us after death. We are, as Paul warned, of all people most to be pitied, for we believed in a false hope.

The Christian hope is essentially grounded in the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Without life after death, love after death will not matter. No resurrection - no hope.

Adapted from R. Albert Mohler Jr.'s weblog at

Pastors to Talk 'Politics' from Pulpits this Sunday

      Pastors to Talk 'Politics' from Pulpits this Sunday

    Dozens of pastors across the country will preach this Sunday providing biblical perspectives on the position of political candidates. The sermons are an act of defiance to the Internal Revenue Service rule that says nonprofits with tax-exempt status cannot endorse a candidate or be involved in political activity.

    Participants of the second annual Pulpit Freedom Sunday believe the IRS rule “muzzles” pastors from guiding their congregation on moral issues.

    More than 80 pastors have signed on to take part in the free speech effort organized by Christian legal firm Alliance Defense Fund. Last September, 33 pastors from 22 states talked politics and endorsed political candidates.

    “Pastors have a right to speak about biblical truths from the pulpit without fear of punishment,” said ADF Senior Legal Counsel Erik Stanley. “No one should be able to use the government to intimidate pastors into giving up their constitutional rights.”

    Stanley said the Christian legal group is not promoting politics in the pulpit, but is fighting for the right of churches to decide for themselves what they want to talk about.

    “The IRS should not be the one making the decision by threatening to revoke a church’s tax-exempt status,” he said. “We need the government to get out of the pulpit.”

    Some pastors this Sunday will discuss the positions of candidates running for office in their state. Others will address the positions of already elected officials or of those who have declared their intention to run for office in the future.

    “Churches were completely free to preach about candidates from the day that the Constitution was ratified in 1788 until 1954,” Stanley highlighted.

    But the 1954 Johnson Amendment to the Federal Tax Code “muzzled” pastors by making them afraid of being investigated by the IRS, he complained. Many pastors would rather “self-censor” their sermon than risk the possibility of confronting the government.

    “The participants in Pulpit Freedom Sunday refuse to be intimidated into sacrificing their First Amendment rights,” Stanley said.

    ADF began Pulpit Freedom Sunday last year during the presidential campaign after some clergies complained that they were being investigated by the IRS for speaking favorably of or for criticizing candidates. The pastors argued that they are not endorsing a candidate but only speaking about biblical values.

    Founded in 1994, ADF is a legal alliance of Christian attorneys and like-minded organizations that defend cases involving religious freedom. It was founded by socially conservative Christians that include prominent evangelical leaders James C. Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, and William R. Bright, founder of Campus Crusade for Christ.

    Student-Led Prayer Movement Marks 20th Year

          Student-Led Prayer Movement Marks 20th Year

      Continuing on the prayer tradition that began 19 years ago with a small student-led group in Texas, hundreds of thousands of students around the nation gathered at the flagpoles of their local schools Wednesday morning to pray for a spiritual awakening across campuses and countries.

      While most of the local “See You At The Pole” rallies drew just a few dozen students, some drew many more, such as the one held Tuesday evening at Liberty University, where nearly 3,000 students gathered.
      In total, around two million students in all 50 states participate in the prayer rally each year. Last year, SYATP reported around three million participants across the United States, joined by students in more 20 nations, including Canada, Korea, Japan, and Turkey.

      “The hope for this campus and the hope for this country and world is God,” commented Pastor Dwayne Carson, who also serves as Liberty’s vice president of Spiritual Development, according to the school’s newspaper. “We need Him to come through for us.”

      This year’s theme, “Engage: Go and Pray,” was inspired by the first sentence that appears in 2 Kings 22:13, which records the words of King Josiah upon hearing from the Book of Law.
      “Go and inquire of the LORD for me and for the people and for all Judah about what is written in this book that has been found,” Josiah had ordered.

      With this in mind, SYATP participants prayed to intercede for their leaders, their countries, their schools, their friends, and their families.

      “For 20 years, we have seen this day serve as a springboard for unity for teenagers on their secondary and college campuses,” commented Paul Fleischmann, president of the National Network of Youth Ministries, which coordinates SYATP promotion.

      “Challenging youth to take leadership on their campus is always a good idea. It’s important to remember that though it has a 20-year history, it’s fresh to today’s students,” he added.

      The first SYATP was held in the Ft. Worth suburb of Burleson, Texas, in 1990, when more than 45,000 teenagers met at school flagpoles in four different states to pray before the start of school.
      Since then, news of the prayer movement has spread and reached out to more students across more campuses.

      It has also drawn support from churches nationwide with many holding “Campus Challenge Sunday” commissioning services the weekend before the annual event.

      Each year, SYATP is held on the fourth Wednesday of September.

      In Australia, where the new school year official began in late January/early February, SYATP was observed this year on May 21.

      Next year's U.S. rallies will be held on Sept. 22, 2010.

      Are You and Your Spouse Listening to God

      Are You and Your Spouse Listening to God

        All of us, if we were to be totally honest, at times have given our spouse way too much direction, when in reality the better course would have been to "let go and let God."

         Though many times our efforts and intentions are well-placed, Godly centered and make perfect sense to all of us, often the better course is that of prayer and supplication. God asks us to pray in all things and that we are to be one with our spouse.

        This requires a superhuman effort, that quite frankly none of us are able to truly accomplish. However by placing ourselves in the center of Go's will and what He would have us accomplish in our lives are we better able to pursue destiny for his lives.
        This world teaches us that we are to work hard in order to achieve and excel and that it is only by our efforts will we succeed. But as Believers, we are not of this world set and specifically destined to accomplish great things in God's name and by doing it His way. For example if we were to build huge monuments to God and the world's largest church, though we would see the fruits of our efforts, we would not see the fruits of the spirit. These relate more to the attitude of the heart rather than our daily calendar.

        Though we might accomplish many great things, as the world interprets them, we would have overlooked the value of the journey, the mission and path God desired for our lives, the people to whom we might have impacted along the way, and even our family. Thus, frequently it is wiser to bathe a concern or request in prayer than it is to speak their words.

        Frequently to ensure that both my prayer life and my intentions align with God's word, I will pray that my wife might gain a perspective never before achieved or to see life in a new or meaningful way. In this way I focus in my prayers in being sure that I am in sync with God, and then get out of His way, to do His bidding. By laying it all at Jesus feet, I am able to be more at peace with the ultimate decision and encourage my life to be in compliance with scripture and allow God to discern His will for our lives and for His speaking directly to the mind and more importantly the heart of both my wife and myself.

        Saddleback Forum Addresses Role of Gov't, Church in Reconciliation

              Saddleback Forum Addresses Role of Gov't, Church in Reconciliation

          Rwandan President Paul Kagame shared with Pastor Rick Warren on Friday that the role of the government is to embrace everyone and “bring them together.”

          Kagame became president of Rwanda in 2000 after the country’s 1994 genocide that left 800,000 to 1 million people dead within about 100 days.

          After he successfully stopped the genocide, Kagame brought back the vice president and reinstalled him. Under his leadership, Rwanda has been lauded as Africa’s “biggest success story” and a model example of reconciliation.

          The much-praised African leader said the role of the church in Rwanda’s reconciliation process is to be a voice to point out when the government is wrong. But during the genocide, the church and government “were almost one and the same” so the church could not distance itself from the action of the government, he explained.

          “Today the role is significant and the church has grown back to play its role,” Kagame said.

          During the civil forum, Kagame was joined by prominent Yale theologian Milaslov Volf from Croatia.
          Volf, who lived through the Bosnian conflict, said there was “always a deep rage” down in his soul during the conflict because of the injustice being done. But he said loving one’s enemies is the truly Christian response in such a situation.

          “To forgive is an act of power. When I forgive, I’m in charge,” Volf said. “I’m releasing you from the wrong.”
          Both Kagame and Volf have seen their “nearly destroyed” countries get back on the path of reconciliation and were at Saddleback Church in southern California to share their wisdom.

          Pastor Warren said though the United States has not experienced a genocide, the stories of reconciliation are relevant because the country is also hurting from division on many issues.

          Friday’s event was the fourth Saddleback Civil Forum, which involves high-profile figures speaking on sensitive issues. Last fall, the megachurch hosted then presidential hopefuls Barack Obama and John McCain who spoke about such issues as religious persecution, AIDS, abortion, marriage and stem cells.

          1 in 3 Americans Giving Less to Charities

          1 in 3 Americans Giving Less to Charities

          By Audrey Barrick
          Christian Post Reporter

          Ongoing hard economic times have led more Americans to dig less when it comes to giving to charities.

          The majority of U.S. adults (three out of four) say the current economic climate has affected their charitable giving, according to a Child Sponsorship survey, released by Christian non-profit World Vision on Monday.
          One in three is giving less to charities. Only ten percent of Americans say they're giving more to charities this year.

          "The sputtering economy has made it more difficult for hard working Americans to give what's on their hearts," said Lana Reda, World Vision vice president for Donor Engagement.

          One in five adults is less likely to sponsor a child. More than half say they would be more likely to sponsor one if they had more money. Still, World Vision reported that their sponsors have remained loyal and the charity even experienced a modest increase of three percent in sponsorship numbers.

          And while revenue is expected to grow eight percent in 2009, private cash donations are expected to drop by three percent. World Vision's 2009 fiscal year ends in September.

          Earlier this summer, World Vision began employee layoffs partly as a result of a decrease in cash donations. The humanitarian charity organization also announced that it would reduce contributions to its employees' 403(b) plans and hold annual merit raises.

          Results from the new survey, which was conducted in August among 1,006 U.S. adults, reveal that more than six in ten Americans say faith-based organizations and non-profit foundations should bear responsibility for helping the world's poor.

          Charities aren't the only sector seeing decreased giving. Churches and Christian schools are also struggling financially, moreso than usual.

          David Roozen, a lead researcher for the Faith Communities Today multi-faith survey, told The Associated Press that he expects to see 10 or 15 percent of the more than 320,000 U.S. congregations in serious financial trouble next year.

          Mainline Protestant denominations, including The United Methodist Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), and The Episcopal Church, were all forced to make cuts in their budgets and staff this past year.

          Also, the Association for Christian Schools International, which represents about 3,800 private schools, reported a drop in enrollment by nearly 5 percent, and about 200 Christian schools closed or merged in the last academic year, according to AP.

          Despite the continuing financial troubles across faith-based groups, World Vision's Reda sees brighter days ahead. "As the economy gets better, we believe Americans will step up to meet the urgent needs of children and families around the world."

          Iran Cannot Be Allowed to Obtain Nuclear Weapons, Say Christian Leaders

          Iran Cannot Be Allowed to Obtain Nuclear Weapons, Say Christian Leaders

          By Jennifer Riley
          Christian Post Reporter

          Nearly 50 Christian leaders, who collectively represent 28 million Americans, called on the United States and other world leaders to take urgent action to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

          Signers of the Sept. 22 letter to Congress warned that a nuclear-armed Iran would “almost certain[ly]” spark an arms race in the Middle East. The volatile country, known to be the world’s leading state sponsors of terrorism, would also likely sell or give nuclear weapons to extremist groups that consider America an enemy, the Christian leaders warned.

          “For the world’s most dangerous regime to obtain the world’s most dangerous weapons is something that neither the United States nor the community of civilized nations can allow,” the leaders assert.

          Among the prominent names who signed the letter are Pat Robertson, president of Christian Broadcasting Network; Charles Colson, chairman of Prison Fellowship Ministries; Johnny Hunt, current president of the Southern Baptist Convention; and John Hagee, senior pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas.
          Former SBC presidents, a representative from Focus on the Family, and presidents of Christian universities are also signers.

          The letter was sent a day before Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was scheduled to address the United Nations, and two days before the G20 summit in Pittsburgh. With the gathering of key world figures this week, the Christian leaders hope coordinated efforts could be taken against Iran.

          Tough actions proposed include a total arms embargo and a cut off of exports of refined petroleum products, including gasoline, from Iran. The economic sanctions would also apply to foreign companies that export, ship, finance or broker refined petroleum products to Iran.

          Christian leaders noted that though Iran has large oil reserves, it is unable to refine its petroleum products and is vulnerable to such sanctions.

          Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu concurred with the Christian leaders, saying that if Iran obtained nuclear weapons it could “bring terrorism beyond our wildest dreams,” in an interview on NBC’s “Today” show Wednesday morning.

          Netanyahu said if the U.N. Security Council doesn’t respond to the problem, then leading nations could pressure Tehran with tactics such as importing petroleum products.
          Iran, however, claims its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes.

          the traditional to the trendy: National Youth Workers Convention in Los Angeles.

          Thousands of diverse youth ministry workers, from the traditional to the trendy and the newbies to the veterans, wrapped up four days of training, empowering and challenging Monday at the National Youth Workers Convention in Los Angeles.
          • Perry Noble, senior pastor of NewSpring Church in Anderson, S.C., speaks to hundreds gathered for the National Youth Workers Convention in Los Angeles on Friday, September 25, 2009.

            Perry Noble, senior pastor of NewSpring Church in Anderson, S.C., speaks to hundreds gathered for the National Youth Workers Convention in Los Angeles on Friday, September 25, 2009.
          From last Friday to this past Monday, Youth Specialties, which serves more than 100,000 youth workers worldwide each year, hosted its first of three youth workers conventions for the year, drawing over 3,000 to renew their spirits, connect with other fellow youth workers, hear sought-after speakers, find resources to jumpstart the new school year, and receive training on some of the basics of youth ministry.

          “At NYWC, we want [attendees] to find a place to be affirmed, refreshed, equipped and connected; to know that [they] have an amazing calling; to hear the words of inspiration and encouragement that can seem all too infrequent; to be prepared for the seasons of ministry ahead and the challenges and opportunities they bring; and to know that [they] are not alone in any of it,” organizers of the annual conventions say.

          Among this weekend’s speakers were Francis Chan, teaching pastor at Cornerstone Church in Simi Valley, Calif.; best-selling author Donald Miller; Reggie Joiner, founder and CEO of The reThink Group, Inc.; Perry Noble, senior pastor of NewSpring Church in Anderson, S.C.; and Shane Hipps, lead pastor of Trinity Mennonite Church in Glendale, Ariz.

          In addition to the main sessions, called “Big Rooms,” NYWC in LA featured in-depth training labs that focused on hot topics in youth ministry, such as “Helping Hurting Kids” and “Creating and Cultivating a Leadership Culture.”

          Also featured were 50 other labs on topics including theology, “soul care,” media & tech, and new frontiers.
          This year, unlike 2008, hot button issues were limited to the labs and left out of the main sessions.
          Last year’s conference had drawn some notable controversy over the injection of the homosexuality issue in one of the main sessions.

          Youth Specialties president Mark Oestreicher insisted that the organization was not trying to push any kind of agenda but realized that the convention was creating more contention that unity
          In response, Youth Specialties shifted their approach this year from presenting a "variety show" during the event's main sessions to focusing on what all attendees have in common.

          This year's featured speakers will "address the heart and soul of youth ministry rather than hot button issues," Oestreicher said.

          In last main session on Monday, Francis Chan shared about his struggles in ministry and encouraged others not to wallow in Satan’s attacks or the sufferings they will endure.
          “When we wallow, we stop rescuing people from eternal agony,” he said.
          In a session Saturday, Donald Miller shared about the Bible, noting how God had chose narrative rather than a “how-to” book to communicate His truth and to "set a moral compass in your brain."

          "Have you ever been muddled in your thinking a little bit and you go see a movie and you leave the theater and you feel clear-headed afterward?" the best-selling author asked. "Or you see some movie about a family drama and it makes you think 'You know, I just need to be a better dad' or 'I need to be a better mom?'"
          "Narrative has this crazy ability," Miller added.

          Chan and Miller are expected to be among the main session speakers at the remaining two NYWC events, which will be held in Cincinnati (Oct. 21-Nov. 2) and Atlanta (Nov. 19-23).
          Music artists performing at this year’s NYWC events include David Crowder Band, Shane & Shane, and the Daraja Choir

          Combined, Youth Specialties’ annual conventions draw over 10,000 youth workers from the United States and around the world each year.

          Radical Islam IS NOT the greatest threat.

          By Dave Welch

          One of the country's most articulate and credible voices on the threat of radical Islam within our borders stated last week that it is the greatest threat to our nation today beyond any other domestic issues we are addressing. 

          In the strictly national security and geopolitical contexts, this person was right. As she stated, government takeover of health care and other industries are not a concern to those who are dead.

          I'll have to admit, however, that my spirit rejected the notion that radical Islam is THE greatest threat to America any more than it was when Muhammad's hordes were sweeping on horseback through northern Africa, the Middle East and into western Europe a millennia ago. Imperialist Islam has been defeated and contained before and certainly can be again.

          The question is whether there are as many Christians left in America willing to live and die for our faith, families and freedom as there are orthodox Muslims willing to kill and die for theirs.

          The pathetic preaching that has created a generation of shallow, self-focused professing followers of Jesus Christ has done far more damage to our national security than any conspiracies of men of any religion or no religion, any race and any creed could do.

          Theologian Francis Schaeffer asserted in his powerful book "The Great Evangelical Disaster" that:
          There is only one perspective we can have of the post-Christian world of our generation: an understanding that our culture and our country deserves to be under the wrath of God. It will not do to say the United States is God's country in some special way. … The last few generations have trampled upon the truth of the Bible and all that those truths have brought forth.
          The fact is that the blood of nearly 50 million legally (not lawfully) murdered babies has cried out to the throne of heaven. It demands justice, and the merciful God who I believe governs over all the universe could not turn a blind eye to the child sacrifice pandemic in and by the country once hailed as a "shining city on a hill."

          Barack Hussein Obama and the reprobate minds governing most of our governing entities were elevated to civil authority by a people who have largely rejected the God of our fathers, the authority of His written word and 2,000 years of history – all in desperate search for a human king who would take care of us. We have sown the wind and are reaping the whirlwind.

          Practitioners of orthodox Islam who seek to conquer and subjugate the world can only be a threat if there is not at least a passionate minority in this country who accept the charge to follow in the footsteps of our ancestors of faith and nation by redeeming everything we touch in His name.

          How can we credibly demand that terrorists adhere to a worldview that respects the value and sanctity of every life when we ourselves do not?

          How can we legitimately insist that politicians respect the boundaries of the U.S. and state constitutions when we have required them to destroy those boundaries to meet our "needs"?

          How can we rise up in indignation against sexual perversion and demand a "pro-family" standard for a nation that has undermined God's definition of family, rejected children as a gift from Him, treated marriage as an agreement rather than a covenant, etc.?

          The terror plots foiled in Dallas and Springfield, Ill., last week give proof – again – that we have mortal enemies walking among us. Why should they not? We invited them. Our dumbed-down, "have it your way" church culture has provided no defense for aggressive multiculturalism that places Judaism and Christianity on equal footing with animal worship.

          We're told by toothy-grinned TV pastors that we just need to "love Jesus," but please don't mention the "S word" (sin) or be faithful to teach the whole counsel of Scripture that convicts, cleanses and restores. After all, it was for our "best life now" that Christ was crucified, not because of our sin … not.

          The Equal Access Act requires that if any club is allowed on school campuses, all clubs must be allowed, hence the rising number of Muslim groups, sexual diversity groups, etc., since all beliefs are equal and we cannot make moral judgments.

          Islamists who have clear and documented links to terrorism are allowed to immigrate and live here because we prefer to say that our war is just a "war on terror" rather than against Islam.

          Tyrants and dictators who rule by terror and who are our mortal enemies are allowed to spew their venom and deception on our own soil because we refuse to stop playing host and sugar daddy to the globalist "Animal Farm" called the United Nations.

          Who is the enemy?

          President Ronald Reagan admonished us in his landmark address, "Abortion and the Conscience of a Nation" that:
          The real question is not when human life begins, but, what is the value of human life? The abortionist who reassembles the arms and legs of a tiny baby to make sure all its parts have been torn from its mother's body can hardly doubt whether it is a human being. The real question for him and for all of us is whether that tiny human life has a God-given right to be protected by the law – the same right we have.
          When we stop the slaughter of the unborn and choose leaders who choose life, we will have the spiritual and moral standing to ask God to protect us from foreign and domestic terrorists. If not, they may serve as His hand of well-deserved judgment.

          Would you Save Jesus?

           Rather than post the entire blog and Digg that has Canada in an uproar over people who seem to have a religion rather than a relationship and proper knowledge of Scripture,

          I thought this should be asked here since there is easy and very obvious answer to the question though the "atheist" acts like it is a real death ot faith issue.

          So, here is the paraphrased version I asked the coworker:

          “Speaking of Jesus, let me ask you this. You occasionally sing the gospel lyrics, ‘from the earth to the cross my debt to pay from the cross to the grave from the grave to the sky Lord I lift your name on high’. If given the opportunity, being present at the crucifixion and knowing what you know now, would you save this purported ‘saviour’ from murder? If you knew you could succeed and assuming you love him as much as you claim, would you retrieve him from torture and death, or would you watch him suffer and expire in order to win your so-called salvation? Which is essentially a selfish act.”

          I know the answer,

          Do you? 


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