Psalm 83 - Has it Found Final Fulfillment? ( Well, No, but for brevity sake)

  (Smiling: Wish I wrote a book for every "idea" I had till I proved it wrong, but for the sake of Bill's book and ministry, I'll post this here. Most Calvary Chapel Pastors or scholars know that if you have a Piece that is left over to your idea, then like repairing a helicopter, you don't take off till you have all the pieces that fit.> My experience in all Prophecy Authors, if you can't answer with all the pieces in place, you may be on the right track, but not arrived yet-MjS)

(I'll tackle this later on the Web site still in process going live.....)



Psalm 83 - Has it Found Final Fulfillment?

Bill SalusBy Bill Salus

Currently many prophecy buffs are discussing the Psalm 83 petition-formatted prophecy written by the seer Asaph approximately 3000 years ago. This prophecy enlists a ten-member population whose goal is nothing short of wiping Israel off of the map. These ancient populations are seen superimposed upon their modern day equivalents on the map below, and their confederate mandate is:

“They have said, “Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation, That the name of Israel may be remembered no more.” (Psalm 83:4, NKJV)
My book Isralestine the Ancient Blueprints of the Future Middle East, has caused many eschatologists to rethink their end times model. However, not all the experts agree with my end time equation that Psalm 83 precedes Ezekiel 38 & 39. There are those who still sweep the prophecy into the catchall closet of the 7-year Tribulation, or simply deposit the event into the file 13 trash can bin of historical fulfillment.

Why Psalm 83 doesn’t belong in the 7-year Trib period is a subject for a future article; however this piece is intended to pull the prophecy out of the annals of historical fulfillment and place it back into the pending event category. Furthermore this article is not intended to serve as a substitute for reading Isralestine in its entirety, which covers all the above and volumes more.

The 2 Chronicles 20 Argument

Recently I was invited by Nathan Jones, (pictured far left) the up and coming eschatologist extraordinaire and Webmaster for Dr. David Reagan’s (pictured in middle) Lamb and Lion Ministries, to participate in an ongoing blog. The argument was raised by some gentleman identified as Don that 2 Chronicles 20:1-37 likely describes the final fulfillment of the Psalm 83 prophecy. You can read my blog comments below and review some of the other assorted blogs made by others at the following link:
“Nathan and Don - 2 Chronicles is not likely the episode Asaph describes in Psalm 83. The 2 Chronicles account primarily describes only 3, possibly 4, of the 10 member populations enlisted in the prophecy of Psalm 83.

These are the Psalm 83:6-8 confederates:
The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab and the Hagrites (Hagarenes); Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek; Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre; Assyria also has joined with them; They have helped the children of Lot.
Now compare all of the above to 2 Chronicles 20:1-37:
2 Chron. 20:1 NKJV: It happened after this that the people of Moab with the people of Ammon, and others with them besides the Ammonites, came to battle against Jehoshaphat (Following Masoretic Text and Vulgate; Septuagint reads Meunites see 2 Chronicles 26:7).

2 Chronicles 20:1 ASV: And it came to pass after this, that the children of Moab, and the children of Ammon, and with them some of the Ammonites, came against Jehoshaphat to battle (Verse 1 enlists Moab and Ammon, and possibly the Meunites).
The NKJV suggests that “others” were involved besides them, but that likely refers to the Meunites a much smaller grouping than those of Psalm 83:6-8. The Meunites, if that is who verse one references, were an Arab tribe that dwelt about 12 miles Southeast of Petra, which still puts them in modern day Southern Jordan.

I cited the ASV in addition to the NKJV to illustrate that it only identifies Ammon, and Moab. Verse 2 references Syria (Some Masoretic Text, Septuagint, and Vulgate; some Hebrew manuscripts and Old Latin read Edom.) Edom or Syria, or both, this still is only a portion of the 10 populations of Psalm 83. Verse 10, 22-23 of 2 Chronicles 20 lists Moab, Ammon, and Mt. Seir. Mt. Seir identifies primarily the people of Edom.

Thus the populations referenced primarily would be modern day Jordan, with a slight possibility of Syria having been involved. Moab is today Central Jordan, Edom is Southern Jordan, and Ammon is Northern Jordan. Petra, Mt. Seir, and the Meunites, would also be clustered in and around Southern Jordan today.

Due to the fact that less than half of the required ten Psalm 83 populations are referenced, it is not possible that 2 Chronicles 20 could be considered as the source of Psalm 83 fulfillment. In addition, several scholars like Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Jack Kelley, Dr. David Reagan, David Dolan and more believe that Psalm 83 has yet to find its final fulfillment.”
The 1948 and 1967 Arab-Israeli Wars Argument

There are those who believe that the six-day war of 1967 occasioned the final fulfillment of the prophecy. I have this suggestion presented to me often, and below is a recent email I sent to a friend in response to his concern that this could be the case:
I have recently been informed that you believe Psalm 83 may have found its fulfillment in the six-day war of 1967. Interestingly Dr. David Reagan and I discussed this possibility recently while visiting together at a Calvary Chapel Chino Hills conference hosted by Pastor Jack Hibbs in February 2009. We concurred that the better argument for fulfillment was the 1948 war commonly considered by the Israeli’s as “The War of Independence”, however neither of these truly meets the description in our estimation. There are 10 populations involved in Psalm 83:6-8 and not all of them were involved in 1967 and more than all of them were involved in 1948.

Additionally it is important to note that the “tents of Edom” are the first population listed in the Psalm 83:6-8 grouping and a careful study demonstrates that the Edomite descendents became tent-dwellers only in the aftermath of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

Biblically the “tents of” condition alludes to either refugees or military encampments. In the Edomite instance their refugee condition became a troubling reality in 1949 when the Palestinian Refugee crisis commenced. Up until that time they were known as the Arabs of Palestine, these days they are referred to as refugees. (Above Photo of Baga'a Refugee Camp 1949 UNRWA)

Isralestine devotes an entire chapter to this topic called; “Whodomites” - Who are the Edomites Today. Inside the “Whodomite” chapter the Edomite–Palestinian Refugee connection is clearly made. The chapter traces several historical waves of Edomite migration out from their original homeland into Israel. They generally settled in and around Hebron, which today exists in the modern day West Bank. Ultimately they became known as the Idumeans, which is the Greek word for Edomites. The territory they developed inside of Israel assumed the name Idumea.

It appears that since 1949 up until the present day the Palestinian Refugees, the apparent antagonistic star of the Psalm 83 show, have a descendant Edomite contingency residing within their ranks.

However the additional argument against either of these two Arab–Israeli wars being the fulfillment is the fact that Asaph is petitioning God to utterly destroy this confederacy as per Psalm 83:17, an event that has not yet occurred.

He petitions God to fashion their demise in the similar format of the historic examples he lists in Psalm 83:9-11 and the allegorical illustrations of Psalm 83:13-16. The fact that these populations still exist, seek possession of the Promised land in Psalm 83:12, and continue to collectively possess the antagonistic attitude toward Israel of Psalm 83:4, conclusively evidences in my estimation that this prophecy has yet to find fulfillment.
For article brevity sake, I’ll let the reader do his or her own homework on the participants of the 1948 and 1967 wars.


The two arguments listed above are the primary ones forwarded by today’s top scholars who believe that Psalm 83 has already found its fulfillment. Having previously deposited Psalm 83 into the historical fulfillment file 13, these advocates tend to then center their focus upon Ezekiel 38 & 39 as the next Mideast Bible Prophecy set to find fulfillment. I disagree with this thinking and express my opinions further in a previous article: "Psalm 83 or Ezekiel 38, Which is the Next Middle East News Headline?"

We must consider the fact that mere rumblings today between Russia and Iran in the Epicenter of the Middle East, as Joel Rosenberg likes to refer to them, does not constitute, but rather simply suggests, the nearby fulfillment of the Ezekiel 38 & 39 invasion. Oddly many military experts are predicting just the opposite, that Israel may be forced to invade Iran in order to forestall their nuclear aspirations. This could temporarily sideline Iran and render them of little immediate utility to Russia, and may be one of the reasons ancient Persia is not listed among the Psalm 83 confederates.

Anyway you prophe-size it up, some big world changing Middle East event is certainly about to happen, just like the Bible predicted it would. The fact that the Psalm 83 confederates live on today and embrace the ancient hatred of Israel signals the high likelihood that Psalm 83 is the next Mideast prophecy to find fulfillment.

Many things could be said about Jacob ~ Jon Courson

Many things could be said about Jacob — some good, some bad. But one thing must be said about him, and that is this: Jacob was a man who was able to prevail in prayer. Of that there can be no question.

Like you, I want to see my prayer life develop and deepen. I want to see my prayers be more effective and more impacting. I want to be a man of prayer. To that end, I join with the disciples who came to our Master, saying, ‘Lord, teach us to pray.

They didn’t say, ‘Lord teach us to preach.’ Or, ‘Lord, teach us to heal the sick.’ Or, ‘Lord, teach us to cast out demons.’ They said, ‘Lord, teach us to pray’ — because they rightly understood that the key to His ministry, indeed the key to His entire life was His communion with His Father. That’s why they said, ’Lord, teach us to pray,’ (Luke 11:1)
I’m glad the Lord doesn’t simply give us theories about prayer or theological treatises on prayer — but that He gives us stories which depict prayer, for I can understand stories much more easily than I can theory or theology.

And here in our text is just such a story — one which I have found exceedingly helpful to see what it means to prevail in prayer. Here’s the situation: After being gone for 20 years, Jacob is headed back home. With two wives, eleven sons, one daughter, numerous servants, and abundant cattle in tow, his should have been a triumphant return. But there was a difficulty ahead, for Jacob’s brother Esau — the one he had cheated, the one who had vowed to kill him — was on his way to meet Jacob, accompanied by 400 men.
Once again, fearing for his life, Jacob does a wise thing: He prays. Notice two qualities which are essential to anyone who wants to prevail in prayer . . .

Jacob was insistent in prayer.

And Jacob said, O God of my father Abraham, and God of my father Isaac, the Lord which saidst unto me, Return unto thy country, and to thy kindred, and I will deal well with thee: Genesis 32:9
And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. Genesis 32:12

Both at the beginning and at the conclusion of his prayer, Jacob is insistent in that he says, ‘Lord, You are the One Who told me to go back home. You are the One Who promised You would save my life.’ In so doing, Jacob takes the promises given to him and lifts them back to the Lord in prayer.

Gang, this is a great, great key to praying effectively. ‘Concerning the work of my hands, command ye me,’ the Lord declares (Isaiah 45:11). ‘Command Him?’ you say. ‘That sounds an awful lot like the Name It and Claim It mentality.’ No, for contextually you will see God is talking about the promises and prophecies He had already made to the people.

Listen to what Jesus would say along the same line: ‘If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you,’ (John 15:7). In other words, ‘If you’re abiding in Me, hanging around Me, clinging to Me, you can ask anything of Me because within you will be My Word.’ What word? ‘Exceeding great and precious promises!’ (2 Peter 1:4).

It has been said that there are between 3 and 5 thousand promises given to us in the Word. And God says, ‘I want you to take these exceedingly great and precious promises — and I want you to command Me.’
George Mueller, the great prayer warrior of the last century, who founded scores of orphanages and funded them solely through prayer said this: ‘I take the promises of the Word and I argue with the Lord — not in order to convince God, but to convince myself.’

You see, as we repeat the promises God has so graciously given to us regarding provision, health, peace, salvation, understanding, guidance, direction, we are reminded of them ourselves. That’s why we come to Bible Study. That’s why we take in the Scriptures. The Word is our bank account — and we’re far, far richer than we think.

Too often, we live like spiritual paupers. We don’t see blessings in our family, for our friends, or throughout our country. Why? We have not because we ask not (James 4:2). Why don’t we ask? I’m convinced it’s because we don’t know what’s in the Word. We have time to study the Wall Street Journal to figure out how we should invest; we have time to study Good Housekeeping to learn how to create a warm home; we have time to study Parents Magazine to enhance our parenting skills — but we fail to study the one Book which contains promises concerning all of these areas.

It is only as we pray the promises of God that we are able to withdraw from the inexhaustible resources the Lord has provided. Jacob understood this. That is why he was insistent in prayer.

Jacob was persistent in prayer.

And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. (Genesis 32:24-26)

From Hosea’s commentary on this wrestling match, we gain further insight . . .
He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God: Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us. (Hosea 12:3-4)

When did Jacob have power and prevail? When he ‘wept and made supplication’. In other words, although Jacob was the one who said, ‘I will not let thee go except thou bless me,’ Jacob was the one who was weeping; Jacob was the one who was pinned. Even though he was weeping, even though he was ‘losing’ the match, even though he was pinned to the ground in pain, nonetheless Jacob didn’t give up. He prayed with persistence.

In prayer Jacob found intimacy.

Why did God wrestle Jacob? Why does He want to wrestle with you and me? For the same reason I like to wrestle with Benny. It’s something called intimacy. God likes to wrestle things through with me and you because He enjoys us. ‘Let’s wrestle this thing through hour after hour, day after day, even month after month,’ He says to us ‘because not only will you find that I’ll come through eventually — but in the process, we will develop a wonderful intimacy.’
That’s why the original Greek text makes it clear that we are to ‘keep asking, keep seeking, keep knocking’ (Matthew 7:7), for that is how intimacy is developed; that is how prayer is answered.

Through prayer Jacob made discovery.

Wrestling provides unique opportunities for discovery. As you measure your strength against that of your opponent, as you assume various positions and are held in numerous holds, you discover things about yourself and your opponent you couldn’t have known otherwise.
So too, God invites us to wrestle with Him in order that we might discover things about Him and ourselves we could learn in no other way. As you wrestle in prayer, you might find that what God gives to you and does for you is entirely different than what you expected. Jacob asked to be blessed, instead he was broken — but the answer was better, because our Father knows best. This classic prayer was found in the breast pocket of a Civil War soldier shot at Gettysburg:

I asked for strength that I might achieve. He made me weak that I might obey.
I asked for health that I might do great things. He gave me grace that I might do better things.
I asked for riches that I might be happy. He gave me poverty that I might be wise.
I asked for power that I might have the praise of men. He gave me weakness that I might feel a need for God.
I asked for all things that I might enjoy life. He gave me life that I might enjoy all things.
I received nothing I asked for. He gave me everything I hoped for.

Keep on wrestling, gang. You’ll have intimacy with the Lord. You’ll make discoveries about the Lord. And you’ll be changed radically by the Lord in the very process of praying.


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